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romney for president, i assume? >> as i said, when it comes to dealing with economic issues, absolutely. but we're two different people. >> but you'd be a reliable ally when it comes to the economic plans? >> on his economic plan? you said there was no one i'd trust more than romney. >> a lot of people don't read the bills down there. >> his reluctance to pledge allegiance may have something to do with this. the two polls showing he who should not be named losing to president obama in massachusetts by 27 points and 28 points in the two latest polls. barney frank was at the debate. he joins us next. [ male announcer ] for the dreamers... and those well grounded. for what's around this corner... and the next. there's cash flow options from pnc. solutions to help businesses like yours accelerate receivables, manage payments, and help ensure access to credit. because we know how important cash flow is to reaching your goals. pnc bank. for the achiever in you. is efficiently absorbed in small continuous amounts. citracal
romney for president, i assume? >> as i said, when it comes to dealing with economic issues, absolutely. but we're two different people. >> but you'd be a reliable ally when it comes to the economic plans? >> on his economic plan? you said there was no one i'd trust more than romney. >> a lot of people don't read the bills down there. >> his reluctance to pledge allegiance may have something to do with this. the two polls showing he who should not be named losing...
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romney among independents is winning by three points, so if romney's winning the independents and republicans, do you think in a battleground state like florida, he's nine points down? the answer is no. >> okay. that math doesn't actually work out because according to the florida poll, those who say they're most likely going to vote, 36% say they're democrats, 27% republicans and 33% independents, so as you can see, the math that karl rove laid out doesn't necessarily have to be so. let's bring in our panel here and talk about all of the polling here we do at cnn and how it works. cnn polls, one thing you may have heard is that the polls out there are assuming a higher turnout this election than last. a lot of people say that can't be so. there was so much passion and enthusiasm last time around. cnn polls do not assume any higher turnout, which is an important point of clarification. let's bring in roland martin from the democratic side and ron avalon. that has become a rallying cry. there have been a lot of carefully constructed polls put together by those on the right saying the polls assu
romney among independents is winning by three points, so if romney's winning the independents and republicans, do you think in a battleground state like florida, he's nine points down? the answer is no. >> okay. that math doesn't actually work out because according to the florida poll, those who say they're most likely going to vote, 36% say they're democrats, 27% republicans and 33% independents, so as you can see, the math that karl rove laid out doesn't necessarily have to be so. let's...
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does mitt romney get it? our kudlow congress is going to come back in session and see if nick can make the break through. >>> welcome back to the kudlow report, i'm larry kudlow, in this half hour, hold your breath. if bush tax cuts are not extended, watch those popular home short sales being stopped short. that's very important, could cause a wave in foreclosures and another wave in the journey turn in housing. and if that doesn't scare you, it's the first monday in october. and the key issues this year, affirmative action, same sex action, will the john roberts supreme court continue to reshape the country in a liberal or conservative direction? that's what we need to know. 36 days remaining until the election, sometime for some tough love on tax policies. paul ryan appeared on fox news sunday to talk taxes. i thought ryan did rather well, take a listen. >> our pro growth tax reform, it cuts taxes by 20%, higher take home for the mid class, that right there creates about 7 million jobs. it's not what deduct
does mitt romney get it? our kudlow congress is going to come back in session and see if nick can make the break through. >>> welcome back to the kudlow report, i'm larry kudlow, in this half hour, hold your breath. if bush tax cuts are not extended, watch those popular home short sales being stopped short. that's very important, could cause a wave in foreclosures and another wave in the journey turn in housing. and if that doesn't scare you, it's the first monday in october. and the...
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romney supporters. they wanted to talk about this and gloat all night. >> belva: some critics said the president spent so much time stating what romney believes but never told as much as he should have about what he believes. >> sure, almost like too much of the nice guy. he was saying, governor romney and i agree on this. and he -- you wanted to paint differences. if you are running for the highest office in the land, you want to say how you are different from your opponent and the president didn't do a good job of differentiating himself. romney did. in the theatrics of the debate, he was very pointed. he was concise. and something he hasn't been throughout the campaign. >> belva: he'll be here on what day? the president. >> monday, grabbing cash. he'll be having a semipublic event. >> belva: and the v.p. debate is? >> thursday. that's must-see tv. that's going to be chaotic television. set the dvr now. >> belva: okay. that's what's happening at the top of the ticket. we'll move to those areas down wh
romney supporters. they wanted to talk about this and gloat all night. >> belva: some critics said the president spent so much time stating what romney believes but never told as much as he should have about what he believes. >> sure, almost like too much of the nice guy. he was saying, governor romney and i agree on this. and he -- you wanted to paint differences. if you are running for the highest office in the land, you want to say how you are different from your opponent and the...
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want to vote for romney. want to vote against obama. but they don't want to vote for romney because of all the negatives obama's piled on them which has not been answered. they're sitting on one side waiting for permission to jump over and vote for romney. in the debate, that he's not a monster, that he's a man of integrity and defending himself on this stuff, can absolutely encourage them to jump over and make it possible for them to do that. >> sean: what a joke all weekend, watching the obama people trying to lower expectations. >> yeah, right. >> sean: 2-1. >> let's par remember that most debates work in favor of the challenger. the challenger walks on and does a good job, like reagan did against carter, all the fears of him go away. carter against gerald ford in 1976. mondale against reagan in the first debate. >> sean: yeah. >> the challenger has an innate advantage in these debates, because he can show that he's not a monster, that he's informed, that he's okay, that he's reasonable and they can answer
want to vote for romney. want to vote against obama. but they don't want to vote for romney because of all the negatives obama's piled on them which has not been answered. they're sitting on one side waiting for permission to jump over and vote for romney. in the debate, that he's not a monster, that he's a man of integrity and defending himself on this stuff, can absolutely encourage them to jump over and make it possible for them to do that. >> sean: what a joke all weekend, watching...
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romney for president, i assume? >> as i said, when it comes to dealing with economic issues, absolutely. but we're two different people. >> but you'd be a reliable ally when it comes to the economic plans? >> on his economic plan? you said there was no one i'd trust more than romney. >> a lot of people don't read the bills down there. >> his reluctance to pledge allegiance may have something to do with this. the two polls showing he who should not be named losing to president obama in massachusetts by 27 points and 28 points in the two latest polls. barney frank was at the debate. he joins us next. [ thunder crashes ] [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insurance protects them. [ thunder crashes ] it doesn't. stop pretending. only flood insurance covers floods. ♪ visit floodsmart.gov/pretend to learn your risk. >>> let me talk about mistakes. i made mistakes. i will make more mistake. before i got elected, i said my daughters are available
romney for president, i assume? >> as i said, when it comes to dealing with economic issues, absolutely. but we're two different people. >> but you'd be a reliable ally when it comes to the economic plans? >> on his economic plan? you said there was no one i'd trust more than romney. >> a lot of people don't read the bills down there. >> his reluctance to pledge allegiance may have something to do with this. the two polls showing he who should not be named losing...
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now, mitt romney has never made that claim. this is coming from a report making all kinds of arguments. and he's made all kinds of a assumptions that the romney campaign has rejected. also puts harvey rosen, you can also generate enough growth to avoid a middle class tax increase. there are a loft credible folks saying something else. it's a fact he's going to raise middle class tax. >> the obama campaign, david plouffe is a chris christie of the campaign saying their campaign is built on a tripod of lies and the president has said sometimes they just make things up. >> last i checked, isn't this called politics? you have lying all the time in politics. it is our responsibility to call folks out on it. on my tv 1 show, i have a segment called the biggest damn lie. >> that's got to be a very tough line to draw. >> some lies are much bigger than the others. you have to call folks out on it. here's the problem i have when it comes to a debate. when you hear lies on a debate, they should be called on out on the spot. when you hear
now, mitt romney has never made that claim. this is coming from a report making all kinds of arguments. and he's made all kinds of a assumptions that the romney campaign has rejected. also puts harvey rosen, you can also generate enough growth to avoid a middle class tax increase. there are a loft credible folks saying something else. it's a fact he's going to raise middle class tax. >> the obama campaign, david plouffe is a chris christie of the campaign saying their campaign is built on...
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romney for president, i assume? >> as i said, when it comes to dealing with economic issues, absolutely. but we're two different people. >> but you'd be a reliable ally when it comes to the economic plans? >> on his economic plan? you said there was no one i'd trust more than romney. >> a lot of people don't read the bills down there. >> his reluctance to pledge allegiance may have something to do with this. the two polls showing he who should not be named losing to president obama in massachusetts by 27 points and 28 points in the two latest polls. barney frank was at the debate. he joins us next. machine when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. i made mistakes. i will make more m
romney for president, i assume? >> as i said, when it comes to dealing with economic issues, absolutely. but we're two different people. >> but you'd be a reliable ally when it comes to the economic plans? >> on his economic plan? you said there was no one i'd trust more than romney. >> a lot of people don't read the bills down there. >> his reluctance to pledge allegiance may have something to do with this. the two polls showing he who should not be named losing...
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also, mitt romney and his remarks, he said that a drop in the nation's unemployment rate, the 7.8%, is not what a real recovery looks like. you can see those remarks at 8:30 p.m. syrian opposition activist predicted that the saudi regime will fall by next summer. they presented the outlines of a transition plan for syria, which they say is already being used by the opposition and the area no longer under assad's control. >> good morning, ladies and gentlemen. i am jim marshall. i am pleased that everyone is here today for a very important project. it has been sponsored by the institute of peace. my job is to introduce steve heideman. he is our senior advisor for middle east initials. he is extensively published and has taught at columbia and at the civil society at georgetown university. this project is one that is driven by syrians. with assistance and other kinds of assistance from sister institutions in germany. it is important these kinds of efforts be driven by local populations. things that are handed down from the united states typically don't work all that well. we are very ple
also, mitt romney and his remarks, he said that a drop in the nation's unemployment rate, the 7.8%, is not what a real recovery looks like. you can see those remarks at 8:30 p.m. syrian opposition activist predicted that the saudi regime will fall by next summer. they presented the outlines of a transition plan for syria, which they say is already being used by the opposition and the area no longer under assad's control. >> good morning, ladies and gentlemen. i am jim marshall. i am...
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well, cue mitt romney. that's what happened today. his team is furiously pointing out how many people are underemployed. last month's household survey found 582,000 of the jobs created involved part time workers who wanted to be full time. plus, no one should forget all the people who have stopped looking for work. romney says this new number or not is not what a recovery looks like. >> the truth is, if the same share of people were participating in the workforce, today is on the day the president got elected, our unemployment rate would be around 11%. >> "outfront" tonight, ali vels velshi, ethan and a former staff member for president oba's national commission on fiscal responsibility and reform, daniel mitchell, senior fellow at the cato institute. alan, the numbers sound good. are they? >> i don't care. i'm going to go one further than erin. not only does the absolute number of the unemployment percentage not matter. i don't even think the trend matters. bottom line is there are measures of unemployment much more important. the nu
well, cue mitt romney. that's what happened today. his team is furiously pointing out how many people are underemployed. last month's household survey found 582,000 of the jobs created involved part time workers who wanted to be full time. plus, no one should forget all the people who have stopped looking for work. romney says this new number or not is not what a recovery looks like. >> the truth is, if the same share of people were participating in the workforce, today is on the day the...
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what do you say to mitt romney? >> well, first of all, i do think the start of the presidential campaign in some ways started with the debate the other night. i think only partisans watch the convention. a lot of the real undecided voters started to tune in. he had a good night, he can build on that. i think what he has to do, though, is not just become the biggest critic of the president. i think other people can do that effectively. he has to start showing his vision and how to give hope to people of why america is going to be better under mitt romney and also let them see him personally. get to know him and see that he's actually a pretty darn likeable guy once you get to know him. >> can he win from here, do you think, john? >> oh, absolutely. i mean, we have already seen some of the polls that came out today since the debates show a great tightening. we have also seen there's been a big influx of money for mitt romney which will for the first time put him on an even parity with obama on advertising, and like i
what do you say to mitt romney? >> well, first of all, i do think the start of the presidential campaign in some ways started with the debate the other night. i think only partisans watch the convention. a lot of the real undecided voters started to tune in. he had a good night, he can build on that. i think what he has to do, though, is not just become the biggest critic of the president. i think other people can do that effectively. he has to start showing his vision and how to give...
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romney, then mrs. obama. and a coin toss determined the president will speak first with romney getting the last word. >> i'd ask the wealthy to pay a little more. >> more americans are living in poverty. >> reporter: after a relentless blitz of campaign ads and months hammering home familiar themes -- >> this is a country where everybody should get a fair shot and everybody should do their fair share. >> we can't afford four more years like the last four years. >> reporter: -- advisers on both sides agree tonight's debate presents a critical opportunity to break through to the american voter. >> this is an opportunity really to reach the voters that haven't yet made up their mind in an unfiltered way. >> they want to hear plans forward. they want to know what the president will do over the course of the next four years. and how exactly we'll get there. >> reporter: with polls showing mr. obama leading in the swing crucial swing states, top aides have encouraged the president to be himself, don't change what's
romney, then mrs. obama. and a coin toss determined the president will speak first with romney getting the last word. >> i'd ask the wealthy to pay a little more. >> more americans are living in poverty. >> reporter: after a relentless blitz of campaign ads and months hammering home familiar themes -- >> this is a country where everybody should get a fair shot and everybody should do their fair share. >> we can't afford four more years like the last four years....
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governor romney, he is a good debater. i am just okay. >> yes and i am an amateur as house boy rodeo. meanwhile obama and romney are not the only ones squaring off this week. >> i believe that is a metaphor for this election. i don't know what exactly it was they were holding on to with their teeth. i have to think that maybe it is our constitution. >> either way the pink wardrobe is not helping. it must be the arizona sheriff. >> jill, you are an entertainment reporter, but put on your political hat. i want to ask your advice, what should the candidates do? what do you think they should do? >> i understand they have been rehersing for two weeks and trying to study up and be natural and speak in short sound bytes that are not too short that they found dismissive. what they should have done is competed in pageants. they would have had all of these years to work on speaking on stage in front of judgmental people. >> what is the one thing you did to change the world? >> i believe in organ donation. it is giving the gift of li
governor romney, he is a good debater. i am just okay. >> yes and i am an amateur as house boy rodeo. meanwhile obama and romney are not the only ones squaring off this week. >> i believe that is a metaphor for this election. i don't know what exactly it was they were holding on to with their teeth. i have to think that maybe it is our constitution. >> either way the pink wardrobe is not helping. it must be the arizona sheriff. >> jill, you are an entertainment reporter,...
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campaign has been preparing some so-called zingers that mitt romney's practiced and can use. i don't know why they would leak that kind of information, because it's like setting you up to fail if it doesn't work out. but how important are little lines like that, do you think? in the history of debates? >> i think they can be very important. i am suspicious about the fact that they are talking about it so much in advance. the mere fact they are tell gating means they don't plan to go through with it. it's hard to work a zinger in organically and that's the beauty of a line like pious baloney, it flowed naturally into the conversation. >> in terms of -- a lot of people remember newt gingrich talking about moon colonies during the primary. mitt romney hit back at him on that. >> i spent 25 years in business if i had a business executive come to me and said they want to spend a few billion to put a colony on the moon, i'd say you're fired. >> you think that's an example of romney at his best, straight forward, and business experience at his best. transfer diminished newt gingrich
campaign has been preparing some so-called zingers that mitt romney's practiced and can use. i don't know why they would leak that kind of information, because it's like setting you up to fail if it doesn't work out. but how important are little lines like that, do you think? in the history of debates? >> i think they can be very important. i am suspicious about the fact that they are talking about it so much in advance. the mere fact they are tell gating means they don't plan to go...
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ck o romney: "it's time to stand up to the cheaters" vo: tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs... it was president obama who stood up to china and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. [ femala $100 cream. we were flattered when regenerist beat flabbergasted when we creamed a $500 cream. for about $30 regenerist micro-sculpting cream hydrates better than over 20 of america's most expensive luxury creams. fantastic. phenomenal. regenerist. for the spender who needs a little help saving. for adding "& sons." for the dreamer, planning an early escape. for the mother of the bride. for whoever you are, for whatever you're trying to achieve, pnc has tec
ck o romney: "it's time to stand up to the cheaters" vo: tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs... it was president obama who stood up to china and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful? how about...by...
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mitt romney is behind. polls show he lags president obama both nationwide and in key battleground states where the races are either tight or obama holds a clear edge. heightening the urgency, early voting is underway in 30 states, including wisconsin, iowa, new hampshire, virginia, and north carolina, and it starts tuesday in ohio and florida. the romney campaign looks to find its footing in the next 37 days. that's next with alex castellano, dana bash, and celinda lake. a little bit more vanilla? this is great! [ male announcer ] at humana, we believe there's never been a better time to share your passions... because the results... are you having fun doing this? yeah. that's a very nice cake! [ male announcer ] well, you can't beat them. [ giggles ] ohh! you got something huh? whoa... [ male announcer ] humana understands the value of spending time together that's a lot of work getting that one in! let's go see the birdies. [ male announcer ] one on one, sharing what you know. let's do it grandpa. that's w
mitt romney is behind. polls show he lags president obama both nationwide and in key battleground states where the races are either tight or obama holds a clear edge. heightening the urgency, early voting is underway in 30 states, including wisconsin, iowa, new hampshire, virginia, and north carolina, and it starts tuesday in ohio and florida. the romney campaign looks to find its footing in the next 37 days. that's next with alex castellano, dana bash, and celinda lake. a little bit more...
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mitt romney has to demonstrate he's changed. there are a lot of voters in this country who are unsatisfied with barack obama. they think we could do better. they don't know that mitt romney is that change. neither of these guys has told us what the next four years could be like because of the changes they would bring. >> and that's i think another challenge that mitt romney has on wednesday night. that is to finally lay out some plans. he's been talking a lot about i have solutions, i know how to get the economy moving, but he really hasn't given us a concrete beyond the 59 points, the five points -- >> neither has our president, though. >> our president did in his convention speech outline what he would do over the next four years which i believe is very important because he'll have an opportunity on wednesday night to expand upon that. mitt romney once again, this is the third time he's going to have an opportunity to introduce himself, this time we'll see if he can charm us into thinking he's the one. >> i think you're a litt
mitt romney has to demonstrate he's changed. there are a lot of voters in this country who are unsatisfied with barack obama. they think we could do better. they don't know that mitt romney is that change. neither of these guys has told us what the next four years could be like because of the changes they would bring. >> and that's i think another challenge that mitt romney has on wednesday night. that is to finally lay out some plans. he's been talking a lot about i have solutions, i...
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romney? >> well, it was -- obviously it was a one-on-one conversation. i know a little about it. they talked about what prime minister netanyahu meant about red lines, what his views were on the current state of play with iran. governor romney also sought out the prime minister's views on developments in the arab world. there is this sense of an unraveling going on right now throughout the middle east in many capitals, poses a threat to the united states. it poses real threats to israel on its borders and he just wanted his state of play. understand this is a relationship, piers. prime minister netanyahu and governor romney go back a number of decades. they worked together in business when they were both graduates from business school. they've kept in touch over the years. so prime minister netanyahu is someone that the governor reaches out to from time to time just to get his perspectives on the region and he certainly felt that given what's going on right now, in addition to the iranian cri
romney? >> well, it was -- obviously it was a one-on-one conversation. i know a little about it. they talked about what prime minister netanyahu meant about red lines, what his views were on the current state of play with iran. governor romney also sought out the prime minister's views on developments in the arab world. there is this sense of an unraveling going on right now throughout the middle east in many capitals, poses a threat to the united states. it poses real threats to israel...
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romney. >>> too many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. my plan will create 12 million new jobs over the next four years. >> i'm mitt romney, and i approve this message >>> toll pohl ticks can be funny. i'll be back with more news an hour from now. "sanjay gupta, m.d.," begins right now. >>> all right, thanks for being with us. today amazing progress on the war on cancer. there are real cures being developed but they come with staggering cost. >>> also i hope you have a strong stomach for this. you're not going to believe what we found in the filthy restaurant play areas. >>> the fcc has asked the cell phones to update their safety. first medical care. this week we're going to see the first first debate between mitt romney and president obama. health care is a key issue, one of the biggest, in fact, and it's back in the spotlight this week after romney said people without insurance can always just go to an emergency room. now, with barely a month to go before the election, i wanted to zero in on what's at stake here. since president obama'
romney. >>> too many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. my plan will create 12 million new jobs over the next four years. >> i'm mitt romney, and i approve this message >>> toll pohl ticks can be funny. i'll be back with more news an hour from now. "sanjay gupta, m.d.," begins right now. >>> all right, thanks for being with us. today amazing progress on the war on cancer. there are real cures being developed but they come with...
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romney okay, good. i'm going to stop the subsidy to bpbs, and i love pbs, love big bird, love you too, but i'm not going to spend money on things to borrow money from china to pay for. that's number one. i'll take good programs that i think would be run more efficiently at the state level and send them to the state. number three, i'll make government more efficient, cut back the firm of employees, combine some agencies and the presidents. my cutbacks would be done through attrition, by the way. this is the approach we have to take to get america to a balanced budget. president said he'd cut the deficit in half. unfortunately, he doubled it. trillion dollar deficits for the last four years. the president's put it in place as much public debt, almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined. >> moderator: mr. president, two minutes. obama: when i walked into to value office, i had more than a trillion dollar deficit greeting me, and we know where it came from. two wars that were pa
romney okay, good. i'm going to stop the subsidy to bpbs, and i love pbs, love big bird, love you too, but i'm not going to spend money on things to borrow money from china to pay for. that's number one. i'll take good programs that i think would be run more efficiently at the state level and send them to the state. number three, i'll make government more efficient, cut back the firm of employees, combine some agencies and the presidents. my cutbacks would be done through attrition, by the way....
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. >>> you know, this week we're going to see the first debate between mitt romney and president obama. health care is a key issue, one of the biggest, in fact. and it is back in the spotlight after romney said people without insurance can always just go to an emergency room. now, with barely a month ago before the election, i want to zero in on what is at stake here. since president obama's health care law was enacted, 3.1 million people under the age of 26 are now covered by their parents' plans, andñr preventiv care also is available. many benefitted from prescription drugs. >> seniors who fall in the coverage gap known as the donut help will start to get help. they receive $250, paying for prescriptions, helping with the donut hole. >> 5 million seniors have saved money on the prescription drugs since the law was started. he also plans to slow spending on medicare. >> i have strengthened medicare, we have added years to the life of medicare. we did it by getting rid of taxpayer subsidies and insurance companies that were not making people healthier. >> by 2014, the law requires ev
. >>> you know, this week we're going to see the first debate between mitt romney and president obama. health care is a key issue, one of the biggest, in fact. and it is back in the spotlight after romney said people without insurance can always just go to an emergency room. now, with barely a month ago before the election, i want to zero in on what is at stake here. since president obama's health care law was enacted, 3.1 million people under the age of 26 are now covered by their...
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romney when asked specifics wednesday night. president obama may get tough questions about how the white house has handled the aftermath of the libya killings. listen to senior campaign advisor david axelrod on "state of the union" with candy crowley. >> the president called it an act of terror the day after it happened but when you're the responsible party, when you're the administration, you have a responsibility to act on what you know and what the intelligence community believes. this is being thoroughly investigated. >> he's saying president obama as early as the morning after the attacks in benghazi identified the killings as an act of terror. in that rose garden speech that he's referring to, however, the president only mentions the word terror once, and it wasn't until the end of that speech. also, it comes after the president speaks in broad terms, mentioning 9/11 and the wars in iraq and afghanistan. you can decide for yourself if his one use of that word terror is directly defining what happened in benghazi. listen. >
romney when asked specifics wednesday night. president obama may get tough questions about how the white house has handled the aftermath of the libya killings. listen to senior campaign advisor david axelrod on "state of the union" with candy crowley. >> the president called it an act of terror the day after it happened but when you're the responsible party, when you're the administration, you have a responsibility to act on what you know and what the intelligence community...